Curse

MyriaN · May 25, 2005, 02:52 AM // 02:52

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Originally Posted by Mav

1. I never said I disliked the /roll system. Please, re-read my original post. You'll see I am in favor of people using any or all tools provided ingame, including the /roll feature. I did say however, I think ArenaNet is being hypocritical in saying players can be banned for abusing this feature.

2. I asked about a 90 day policy. Now, you as the reader can choose to assume I meant I'd wait the full 90 days to return it. In honesty it's been about two weeks or so I've owned the game. Out of that time period I'd say I've played maybe 5 days, several hours each day, and "beaten" the game. Now as said in previous replies, I do enjoy the PvP yet I do not want to grind to have a chance to compete in it. Anyone that tells you that youve go an honest chance at pvp without grinding for things vs someone who has, is lying to you.

Saying that ArenaNet is hypocritical for having a roll feature but banning casinos is like saying that the state of California is hypocritical for making gambling illegal but allowing playing cards to be sold at toys r us.
Random number generator doesnt equal casino.
Sorry if I misinterpretted your like or dislike of the roll feature, but that isn't the point of my post. And you did call it a "god damn" roll feature, so I assumed that you had something against the roll feature because it allows people to gamble.
And the fact that you wanted to return the game because of you feel the devs are hyprocritical is not a much more compelling argument.

Yes, when you ask about a 90 day policy, I would certainly assume that you intend to return it after 90 days. Otherwise, why ask about a 90 day policy? If you already decided that you don't like the game, why don't you return it now? Why did you say that you intend to keep playing even after ArenaNet has offended your moral sensibilities?

As I said, if you enjoyed the game, then pay for it. The developers deserve to get paid for their hard work. If you don't like the game, return it as soon as you realize it. By the way, not too many people spend 35 hours doing something that they don't like.

Aaaaagh · May 25, 2005, 03:06 AM // 03:06

In the United States its a there are copyright reasons games cannot be returned. The only reason you could return an opened game is because it was missing an item, and then your return would not be for cash, it would be for a working copy of the game.

But, if youre worried about the fiddy bucks, then do this. Log on to each character and type /age. Add all the times up, divide by fiddy dolla. Thats how much it cost you to play GW per hour of fun. Now, go feel ridiculous about whining over entertainment that cost you less then $1 an hour.

cha cha cha

MyriaN · May 25, 2005, 03:29 AM // 03:29

I realized after rereading my posts that I sounded quite mean and vindictive.
I'm usually not like that and I appologize.
This is just one of my "hot buttons" since I develop software for a living.

I certainly don't think you should have to pay for something you didn't like or use. But it really seemed like you got a fair amount of entertainment from the game. If that's the case, paying for it seems like the right thing to do.

aeroclown · May 25, 2005, 06:40 AM // 06:40

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Originally Posted by MyriaN

I realized after rereading my posts that I sounded quite mean and vindictive.
I'm usually not like that and I appologize.
This is just one of my "hot buttons" since I develop software for a living.

I certainly don't think you should have to pay for something you didn't like or use. But it really seemed like you got a fair amount of entertainment from the game. If that's the case, paying for it seems like the right thing to do.

*shrugs*

I work as end user support for 2 Open source Projects that also sell higherlevel products and I can't say that I see your point here.

I Think you the user has no right to return software after you have opened the box installed it and used it with the exception of missing physical parts. Opening the box by itself implies, that with the technology currently available, you can do any number of things with the software I have distributed to you on disk.

There no such thing as I don't want to pay for it now that I'm done with it. That is Like keeping the tag on a pair of underwear just so you can return it to walmart once your done abusing it.

Thats just wrong in more then one way.

*shrugs*

Thats my 2 cents I suppose, It might not sit well with everyone, but thats how I see it. The you in this post means a universal you, so there is not pointing of fingers. Kinda of odd how you have to clarify stuff like that these days. People are out to cute your fingers off for no good reason.

Shadow_Avenger · May 25, 2005, 07:17 AM // 07:17

No you cannot return or resell the game, read the Eula.
Hard luck, file it on your self with other games you no longer play and go find you next fix.
I haven't read your bitching as it has all been said before, by people of like mind to yourself.
Alas you cannot please everyone.

Celes Tial · May 25, 2005, 07:50 AM // 07:50

I am getting rather tired of those 'My expectations were disappointed so look, I QUIT!' posts. Whether or not you enjoy a product you purchased is based on personal preferences. Others would disagree with you, and feel they got more than their moneys worth out of the purchase. Many first person shooters can be completed in 10 hours... do you return them to the store?

Throughout your life you will order pizzas you end up not liking, meet people you end up not liking, and so on and so forth. Its life. You cant ask life for a reimburse on every disappointment you meet along the way.

Mav · May 25, 2005, 08:16 AM // 08:16

Just a note;

any more PM's in my inbox will simply be deleted without being read

there are a ton of threads I hate and don't agree with, but I do not send those thread starters private messages trying to talk shit about them personally

i respect peoples right to disagree with my views and opinions, and im sorry others are so narrow minded they cant allow themselves to respect others that way as well. this is a forum, meant for discussion of pretty much anything guildwars. ive broken no forum rules (maybe a little excessive profanity, but the kind moderators already have a filter for that), so other than doing what others are doing; discussing, just suck it up and deal with it that some people have opinions and sometimes those opinios are very negative.

Nim · May 25, 2005, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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Originally Posted by Mav

I've been level 20 since like 4 days after buying the game, grind grind and grind some more to get the skills I need and items I need for PvP ;\

4 whole days? Wow! Talk about a grind *end of sarcasm*

Mav · May 25, 2005, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by Nim

4 whole days? Wow! Talk about a grind *end of sarcasm*

Again with the taking sentances out of context

Four days to reach level 20

almost 20 weeks to capture the skills/buy the skills and items I need

and please, no one quote and point out the "omg another that NEEDS shit for pvp". i'll hand you some "average" gear, and let you plus 7 other people equipped with "average" gear and skills head to the tombs and hoh, see how well you do verus a full team of 8 with everything unlocked, and some of if not the best items in the game. dunno about some but i dont like loosing

so yes, theres a grind dude, and no i didnt grind for 4 days, i simply did the storyline missions. grinding is there for the skills and items

Odd Sock · May 25, 2005, 12:11 PM // 12:11

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Originally Posted by Oni No Arashi

Another PVP'er who says he HAS to have the superior stuff.

Hmm...

Played in ONE BWE.
Have on character at level 20 (R/E) and ascended.
Have a few more working on them (E/R 15, N/Mo 9)

I usually PVP as an Elementalists. I've unlocked some items, one major rune for a Ranger, mostly Minor Runes for other professions, NO Superior Runes. I've unlocked NO elite skills.

And I've been to the HoH a few times.

Damn.... guess all those high powered weapons and runes are cruches for those who can't handle using a little strategy and skill in a PVP environment.

Sorry, you're only 'Ginding' for what you think you need to get that edge, but I really don't see much of a big deal for those uber-skills or items.

What's the really big difference if you know how to use what you already have?

That's exactly it, you've been to HoH a few times. My guild and I have held the HoH many times and you know why ? because we all created characters that had the proper items unlocked. We never brought players that didn't have proper items and certainly no elementalists that didn't have superior runes. You want an example of how holding the HoH is done right ? Try holding it for 28 consecutive and getting kicked out twice because after 6 games of fighting with 7 people we got kicked out by a group composed of nO and ClG players. You shouldn't be proud of having reached it a few times, you should be proud of holding it many times.

Good items, runes and skills are not crutches but a necessity when you reach top PvP. It gets even more critical when you reach the top of the ladder. If my axe has a +20% enchant duration that means my JI will be up a few more seconds dealing a +10DPS (if not more) for a few more seconds. If my Air Magic is at 16 then my orbs will deal 137 not a puny 80something damage. See how it works ? Oh and BTW elites are just that good, you also need them to make a decent strategy. When you get serious about PvP then you can start talking. Furthermore you're wasting your time with that E/R since the R/E you made already has unlocked all the skills the E/R will. Way to grind buddy, goes to show a PvEer can't understand what grind is.

Also to Mav, perhaps you should report those hate PM's to a mod

Ninna · May 25, 2005, 12:14 PM // 12:14

theres a grind

but certainly LESS grind than other competitor online games

NiknudStunod · May 25, 2005, 12:54 PM // 12:54

The squeeky wheel gets the oil. I am sure if enough of these threads keep popping something could be done. I agree with the OP on almost everything he said. I myself believe anet can choose how there ingame tools are used and not used. If someone is using something to cheat another player then anet has every right to issue warnings then bans.

chalt2 · May 25, 2005, 02:30 PM // 14:30

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Originally Posted by Oni No Arashi

Another PVP'er who says he HAS to have the superior stuff.

Hmm...

Played in ONE BWE.
Have on character at level 20 (R/E) and ascended.
Have a few more working on them (E/R 15, N/Mo 9)

I usually PVP as an Elementalists. I've unlocked some items, one major rune for a Ranger, mostly Minor Runes for other professions, NO Superior Runes. I've unlocked NO elite skills.

And I've been to the HoH a few times.

Damn.... guess all those high powered weapons and runes are cruches for those who can't handle using a little strategy and skill in a PVP environment.

Sorry, you're only 'Ginding' for what you think you need to get that edge, but I really don't see much of a big deal for those uber-skills or items.

What's the really big difference if you know how to use what you already have?

Whoa, whoa, whoa there big fella... posting common sense, you must be out of your mind, common sense isn't accecpted around here too much.
It is good to hear it though, thanks for the post.

chalt2 · May 25, 2005, 02:39 PM // 14:39

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Originally Posted by Celes Tial

I am getting rather tired of those 'My expectations were disappointed so look, I QUIT!' posts. Whether or not you enjoy a product you purchased is based on personal preferences. Others would disagree with you, and feel they got more than their moneys worth out of the purchase. Many first person shooters can be completed in 10 hours... do you return them to the store?

Throughout your life you will order pizzas you end up not liking, meet people you end up not liking, and so on and so forth. Its life. You cant ask life for a reimburse on every disappointment you meet along the way.

Yes, yes keep the common sense comming, it's good stuff

Stur · May 25, 2005, 03:01 PM // 15:01

Mav you start a tread that is a blatant attack on the game on a forum dedicated to the game, and then wonder why someone might send you an PM about it? Lol
Come on man no one over the age of 15 is actually buying the fact that you where asking a legitimate question, and if you where (coming on an internet forum to ask a question about the return policy of your local gaming store that is) then hmm maybe you should ask your parents or something. I personally didn’t send you an PM calling you names, as I think that doesn’t show a whole lot of class itself, but I have certainly understand the thinking behind it.

Pevil Lihatuh · May 25, 2005, 03:11 PM // 15:11

This isn't actually such a dumb question. Depending where you are. The company I work for gives you 10 days on ANY game EXCEPT PC to try it out. If you don't like it, have your money back. Only reason PC isn't included is coz 1. easy to copy and 2. account creation.

However I do think you woulda realised that you can't take it back after you've created the account. Only way you're gonna get your money back is sell the account on ebay for whatever you paid in the first place. Someone is gonna get a bargain, sure they pay 'full price' but they're getting a character too. If they don't delete it.

Shadow_Avenger · May 25, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17

FFS another grind post. Yawn, This forum should just be titles the to grind or not to grind, then open another forum where peeps can post interesting topic's.
Either that or Do what I have do for my NWN PW Forum, Create a Jerry Springer Forum Section and move all the whinging, abusive, tit for tat posts to there. These are public forums and Kids will also read them, ALOT of POSTERS Here need to GROW UP.

Valin · May 25, 2005, 03:22 PM // 15:22

Wow, talk about retaliation! Mav's question isn't a 'blatant attack', it's just honest. Everyone here should know that GW isn't for everyone... no game is. If he doesn't like it all the power to him. I can't stand GTA but everyone else in the world seems to love it. Do I deserve to get flamed if I asked the resident GTA experts how I can get my money back? Of course not! If anyone would know they would.

To answer your question Mav, while GW is not a traditional MMO it does fall under the retailer category of MMOs: No refunds or returns because of the unique key required. After an extensive search I found no mention of any policy that would allow you to get a refund from ArenaNet directly, but you could always email their support department and ask. It couldn't hurt.

Ninna · May 25, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Valin

Mav's question isn't a 'blatant attack', it's just honest.

its not "simply" honest

its his negative opinions at a GuildWars fan-site

his first criticism is false advertising about no grind

and then he goes on to call the game developers Hyprocrites about Casinos

if you want to simply ask about a refund, you dont have to bash the game

that said, nasty private messages are uncalled for

Mountain Man · May 25, 2005, 05:02 PM // 17:02

The game packaging blatantly warns you that an opened gamebox can not be returned or refunded.

If you think you have a valid case for "false advertising" then take it to court and let a judge decide.

In the meantime, uninstall the game, stick it on a shelf, and leave those of us who actually enjoy it in peace.